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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree especially that the powers that be, which currently create the money, will fight tooth and nail to ensure that their magical powers do not cease, paying lawyers and politicians to hold up courts and legislation (respectively) indefinitely.  So long as these people have the money (real or imaginary), they can pay for as much propaganda as they need to ensure the continuity of the status quo.  Buying ignorance through fear is far easier than buying politicians (hence everything since 9/11) and there is a lot more ignorance out there than there is intelligence.  
Propaganda will be disseminated against this idea as being Communist in nature, and that people will essentially lose their jobs and their homes and will be living in the streets without their iPods and other toys to keep them company.   Banks are amongst the most powerful and corrupt of all corporate entities and can no longer simply be regulated by any legislation.   In Canada, we have tens of thousands of pages in banking legislation that only makes sence to those who wrote it and the high priced lawyers who are trained to arrange these pages to suit their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree especially that the powers that be, which currently create the money, will fight tooth and nail to ensure that their magical powers do not cease, paying lawyers and politicians to hold up courts and legislation (respectively) indefinitely.  So long as these people have the money (real or imaginary), they can pay for as much propaganda as they need to ensure the continuity of the status quo.  Buying ignorance through fear is far easier than buying politicians (hence everything since 9/11) and there is a lot more ignorance out there than there is intelligence.<br />
Propaganda will be disseminated against this idea as being Communist in nature, and that people will essentially lose their jobs and their homes and will be living in the streets without their iPods and other toys to keep them company.   Banks are amongst the most powerful and corrupt of all corporate entities and can no longer simply be regulated by any legislation.   In Canada, we have tens of thousands of pages in banking legislation that only makes sence to those who wrote it and the high priced lawyers who are trained to arrange these pages to suit their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick S.J. Carmack, JD</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-1034</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick S.J. Carmack, JD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 03:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was referred to this site by someone familair with our very similar work in this area. I congratulate the authors for many sound proposals in their draft ACt. 

The draft Bank of England Act (PBoEA) is fundamentally similar to our draft Monetary Reform Act (MRA - see themoneymasters.com). The principal goals of both are to prohibit money creation by private banks; to restore that power to government. Both make the critical distinction between deposit accounts and investment accounts - in slightly different ways. 

The differences are several. The PBoEA: allows Treasury to determine monetary growth targets (to be implemented by a &quot;Monetary Policy Committee&quot;); allows the BoE to make loans; allows newly-created money to be used for various purposes other than retiring the national debt and rebating taxes to tax-payers; does not formally raise the rrr (required reserve ratio to 100%) thus it tacitly allows fractional reserve banking.  
The MRA suggests a fixed monetary growth of 0-3% to end the manipulation of indices such as of consumer prices, inflation, etc. which are constantly manipulated by various government agencies for political purposes - this cannot otherwise realistically be stopped;  the MRA prohibits the government from making loans - that is purely a function of free markets (Hitler and Lenin both wanted government origination of loans for political control and influence); the MRA requires that the rrr be raised to 100% and that the funds to do so be used to pay off the national debt (in other words, paying off the national debt with new money does not cause inflation as those same funds, once deposited, will be used to comply with the higher rrr) thus reducing interest expenditures (by $400b+ per annum in the US ); the MRA addresses the growing threat of the IMF and BIS which are rapidly usurping all national money-creation authority.

There are other differences. I think the 18 sections of the MRA is a more thoroughly though Act (being drafted in 1996 and edited by Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman), and addresses the foregoing differences better. Neither Act sufficiently addresses the recent, unprecedented glut of deficit spending and resulting money creation in the Western democracies. That would require a commodities-based money (either gold, or a basket of commodities), which should be added. But the fundamentals of the Acts are reasonably sound and somewhat similar, even if I much prefer the MRA for the reasons stated. 

Regards, 
Patrick S.J. Carmack, JD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was referred to this site by someone familair with our very similar work in this area. I congratulate the authors for many sound proposals in their draft ACt. </p>
<p>The draft Bank of England Act (PBoEA) is fundamentally similar to our draft Monetary Reform Act (MRA &#8211; see themoneymasters.com). The principal goals of both are to prohibit money creation by private banks; to restore that power to government. Both make the critical distinction between deposit accounts and investment accounts &#8211; in slightly different ways. </p>
<p>The differences are several. The PBoEA: allows Treasury to determine monetary growth targets (to be implemented by a &#8220;Monetary Policy Committee&#8221;); allows the BoE to make loans; allows newly-created money to be used for various purposes other than retiring the national debt and rebating taxes to tax-payers; does not formally raise the rrr (required reserve ratio to 100%) thus it tacitly allows fractional reserve banking.<br />
The MRA suggests a fixed monetary growth of 0-3% to end the manipulation of indices such as of consumer prices, inflation, etc. which are constantly manipulated by various government agencies for political purposes &#8211; this cannot otherwise realistically be stopped;  the MRA prohibits the government from making loans &#8211; that is purely a function of free markets (Hitler and Lenin both wanted government origination of loans for political control and influence); the MRA requires that the rrr be raised to 100% and that the funds to do so be used to pay off the national debt (in other words, paying off the national debt with new money does not cause inflation as those same funds, once deposited, will be used to comply with the higher rrr) thus reducing interest expenditures (by $400b+ per annum in the US ); the MRA addresses the growing threat of the IMF and BIS which are rapidly usurping all national money-creation authority.</p>
<p>There are other differences. I think the 18 sections of the MRA is a more thoroughly though Act (being drafted in 1996 and edited by Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman), and addresses the foregoing differences better. Neither Act sufficiently addresses the recent, unprecedented glut of deficit spending and resulting money creation in the Western democracies. That would require a commodities-based money (either gold, or a basket of commodities), which should be added. But the fundamentals of the Acts are reasonably sound and somewhat similar, even if I much prefer the MRA for the reasons stated. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Patrick S.J. Carmack, JD</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Ellia</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ellia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how any change in the money system will stop consumerism and corporate greed.   What is needed is a reform of the production and distribution of goods and services.  

The existence of money in any form promotes hoarding of money.  But it is the maldistribution of money that leads to poverty and starvation.   With all the effort over all the years more people are in poverty and starving than are living comfortably.   That is because they have no money or way to obtain it.

The world now produces more calories in food than is required to feed all humans adequately  -- 3200 calories per human vs. 2000 calories.   The potential for even greater food production is available.

What we need is community by community analysis of the local food production and horticulture learning programs for many of the unemployed.   Local LETS systems would stimulate local exchange and LETS to LETS reciprocity would stimulate the shipment of food and other goods and services locally, regi0nally and globally.   Each LETS could have a service to advertise their surpluses and their needs in LETS directories.  And an executive committee could  bargain for the best exchanges for all.

If our dialogue was on good and services instead of money could we find a solution  ?

IMHO
Bill Ellis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how any change in the money system will stop consumerism and corporate greed.   What is needed is a reform of the production and distribution of goods and services.  </p>
<p>The existence of money in any form promotes hoarding of money.  But it is the maldistribution of money that leads to poverty and starvation.   With all the effort over all the years more people are in poverty and starving than are living comfortably.   That is because they have no money or way to obtain it.</p>
<p>The world now produces more calories in food than is required to feed all humans adequately  &#8212; 3200 calories per human vs. 2000 calories.   The potential for even greater food production is available.</p>
<p>What we need is community by community analysis of the local food production and horticulture learning programs for many of the unemployed.   Local LETS systems would stimulate local exchange and LETS to LETS reciprocity would stimulate the shipment of food and other goods and services locally, regi0nally and globally.   Each LETS could have a service to advertise their surpluses and their needs in LETS directories.  And an executive committee could  bargain for the best exchanges for all.</p>
<p>If our dialogue was on good and services instead of money could we find a solution  ?</p>
<p>IMHO<br />
Bill Ellis</p>
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		<title>By: Mark-Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-864</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark-Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi People, 

If its OK with you I’ll kick in about here with the MPE™ model, maybe we all should consider a new solution…. adopt Mathematically Perfected Economy™ [Google]

Remember Banking was conceived in iniquity, and born in sin. Bankers own the
earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create
money, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money
to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them, and
all great fortunes like mine will disappear. And, they ought to
disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to
live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of the
bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let
bankers continue to create money, and control credit.

SIR JOSIAH STAMP (21 June 1880 - 16 April 1941)
FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND

Money doesn&#039;t have to come from a Bank..!!!!! Remove the Central Banks, and their purported High St Buddies and their ability to issue *OUR PROMISE TO PAY* .... we can then STOP living in Unsolvable ever escalating DEBT…

After which we can get on with living, not worrying about the future.!!!

warm regards

MLG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi People, </p>
<p>If its OK with you I’ll kick in about here with the MPE™ model, maybe we all should consider a new solution…. adopt Mathematically Perfected Economy™ [Google]</p>
<p>Remember Banking was conceived in iniquity, and born in sin. Bankers own the<br />
earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create<br />
money, and with the flick of a pen, they will create enough money<br />
to buy it back again. Take this great power away from them, and<br />
all great fortunes like mine will disappear. And, they ought to<br />
disappear, for then this would be a better and happier world to<br />
live in. But if you want to continue to be the slaves of the<br />
bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, then let<br />
bankers continue to create money, and control credit.</p>
<p>SIR JOSIAH STAMP (21 June 1880 &#8211; 16 April 1941)<br />
FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE BANK OF ENGLAND</p>
<p>Money doesn&#8217;t have to come from a Bank..!!!!! Remove the Central Banks, and their purported High St Buddies and their ability to issue *OUR PROMISE TO PAY* &#8230;. we can then STOP living in Unsolvable ever escalating DEBT…</p>
<p>After which we can get on with living, not worrying about the future.!!!</p>
<p>warm regards</p>
<p>MLG</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-857</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 08:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>¨There is no mystery to projecting the pattern of failure engendered by any purported economy subject to interest. 
As interest multiplies debt in proportion to a circulation, ever more of every existing dollar is dedicated to servicing multiplying debt, and ever less of every existing dollar can be dedicated to sustaining the commerce which is obligated to service the multiplying debt. Everything around you can be understood from the obvious consequences.¨


The point i am trying to make is that without real solution you can only extend your own failure by taking measures against the possible outcome, but failure is still inevitable due to the compounding effect of interest.
It´s easy to market products and services based on the ¨underbelly feelings¨ most people have , but it´s a total different ball game to come up with real solution and to have that accepted up to a critical mass.

I know off one person that offers real solution. I studied his material for months (and still do) and his theory is the only one i found that makes perfect sense. But it goes against the most powerfull interests in the world.

His name is Mike Montagne from http://www.perfecteconomy.com

Or visit: http://endtheecb.ning.com or http://endtheboe.ning.com for more video´s and information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>¨There is no mystery to projecting the pattern of failure engendered by any purported economy subject to interest.<br />
As interest multiplies debt in proportion to a circulation, ever more of every existing dollar is dedicated to servicing multiplying debt, and ever less of every existing dollar can be dedicated to sustaining the commerce which is obligated to service the multiplying debt. Everything around you can be understood from the obvious consequences.¨</p>
<p>The point i am trying to make is that without real solution you can only extend your own failure by taking measures against the possible outcome, but failure is still inevitable due to the compounding effect of interest.<br />
It´s easy to market products and services based on the ¨underbelly feelings¨ most people have , but it´s a total different ball game to come up with real solution and to have that accepted up to a critical mass.</p>
<p>I know off one person that offers real solution. I studied his material for months (and still do) and his theory is the only one i found that makes perfect sense. But it goes against the most powerfull interests in the world.</p>
<p>His name is Mike Montagne from <a href="http://www.perfecteconomy.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.perfecteconomy.com</a></p>
<p>Or visit: <a href="http://endtheecb.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://endtheecb.ning.com</a> or <a href="http://endtheboe.ning.com" rel="nofollow">http://endtheboe.ning.com</a> for more video´s and information.</p>
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		<title>By: NickB</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>NickB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but that is naive. The City were the main bankrollers of the Tory election campaign, were they not? They are the ones who benefit from the current system - the rentier class, who do not have to produce anything but simply cream off interest from those who do. Why should the Tories kick against their own tribe and backers? Rather more likely is that the system will have to crash further before sensible ideas like yours get a chance to take centre stage. 
We&#039;ve been through all this debate before - Abraham Lincoln, Irving Fisher, JFK, CH Douglas, even it is rumoured Sir Josiah Stamp, all have demonstrated the case for debt free money. The protagonists were either ignored or, conspiracy theorists say, assassinated! 
Nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but that is naive. The City were the main bankrollers of the Tory election campaign, were they not? They are the ones who benefit from the current system &#8211; the rentier class, who do not have to produce anything but simply cream off interest from those who do. Why should the Tories kick against their own tribe and backers? Rather more likely is that the system will have to crash further before sensible ideas like yours get a chance to take centre stage.<br />
We&#8217;ve been through all this debate before &#8211; Abraham Lincoln, Irving Fisher, JFK, CH Douglas, even it is rumoured Sir Josiah Stamp, all have demonstrated the case for debt free money. The protagonists were either ignored or, conspiracy theorists say, assassinated!<br />
Nick</p>
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		<title>By: NickB</title>
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		<dc:creator>NickB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Au contraire, both,
The debt based money system is a key driver of the destructive development that is at the heart of the ecological crisis we face. With a reformed financial system we would not be committed to forced economic growth. If you &quot;solve&quot; the energy problems without tackling the financial system we would be back to a new set of economic growth driven crises in no time at all, as shown by the limits to growth studies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Au contraire, both,<br />
The debt based money system is a key driver of the destructive development that is at the heart of the ecological crisis we face. With a reformed financial system we would not be committed to forced economic growth. If you &#8220;solve&#8221; the energy problems without tackling the financial system we would be back to a new set of economic growth driven crises in no time at all, as shown by the limits to growth studies.</p>
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		<title>By: Louise</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done for doing something proactive - maybe the argument/proposals need some fine tuning but these issues must not be allowed to drop off government agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done for doing something proactive &#8211; maybe the argument/proposals need some fine tuning but these issues must not be allowed to drop off government agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bank of England Act</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Bank of England Act</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 15:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The campaign is still in the pre launch stages at the moment, we will be updating the website, naming our supporters, in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The campaign is still in the pre launch stages at the moment, we will be updating the website, naming our supporters, in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Crees</title>
		<link>http://www.bankofenglandact.co.uk/act/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Crees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to clarify my position i strongly believe you are 100% correct in your proposals but to have these reforms adopted you all will have to be become a lot more hard nosed about it there are too many very rich and influential people out there that will not give up their wealth for the common good even when the ship is sinking underneath them they will clutch on to there wealth hoping it will keep them afloat and they will fight to the last to keep there way of life.but i wish you well</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to clarify my position i strongly believe you are 100% correct in your proposals but to have these reforms adopted you all will have to be become a lot more hard nosed about it there are too many very rich and influential people out there that will not give up their wealth for the common good even when the ship is sinking underneath them they will clutch on to there wealth hoping it will keep them afloat and they will fight to the last to keep there way of life.but i wish you well</p>
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